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	<title>Comments on: While &#8220;Alarm Level&#8221; Lowered, Ignorant Rhetoric Remains High in Some Quarters</title>
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		<title>by: Andrew</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bill:

Thank you for your encouragement, and I hope that you will keep reading!
Jameson, editor at the Biblical Recorder, is aware of a very similar response from SBF blogger Timmy Brister, but he has simply dismissed our reaction as &quot;hyper-sensitive,&quot; so I'm not sure how the conversation can continue.

In Christ,
-Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill:</p>
<p>Thank you for your encouragement, and I hope that you will keep reading!<br />
Jameson, editor at the Biblical Recorder, is aware of a very similar response from SBF blogger Timmy Brister, but he has simply dismissed our reaction as &#8220;hyper-sensitive,&#8221; so I&#8217;m not sure how the conversation can continue.</p>
<p>In Christ,<br />
-Andrew
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		<title>by: Andrew</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Don:

I appreciate your ministry, brother, but when I saw &quot;knucklehead&quot; and no interaction with Jameson's article, I decided to delete the comment before I even saw who it was from. To me this is a &quot;do unto others&quot; issue, as I would insist that any non-Calvinist posting to this site would also refrain from name-calling in lieu of interacting with our arguments from Scripture. (Not that name-calling is always bad, as even the Apostle Paul refers to his enemies as &quot;dogs&quot; in Philippians, but he does so accompanied by arguments against their errors.)

In His grace,
-Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don:</p>
<p>I appreciate your ministry, brother, but when I saw &#8220;knucklehead&#8221; and no interaction with Jameson&#8217;s article, I decided to delete the comment before I even saw who it was from. To me this is a &#8220;do unto others&#8221; issue, as I would insist that any non-Calvinist posting to this site would also refrain from name-calling in lieu of interacting with our arguments from Scripture. (Not that name-calling is always bad, as even the Apostle Paul refers to his enemies as &#8220;dogs&#8221; in Philippians, but he does so accompanied by arguments against their errors.)</p>
<p>In His grace,<br />
-Andrew
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		<title>by: Bill Pfister</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 02:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Friend,

I came across your blog for the first time today and found many of your posts saying things I have been saying and hearing other reformed SBC pastors saying.  I read Jameson's editorial tonight and thought it showed how littled had changed in the wake of the BB conference.  I would encourage you to post a reply to the Biblical Recorder, especially the print version, so the conversation will continue.

Much grace and love to you,
Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friend,</p>
<p>I came across your blog for the first time today and found many of your posts saying things I have been saying and hearing other reformed SBC pastors saying.  I read Jameson&#8217;s editorial tonight and thought it showed how littled had changed in the wake of the BB conference.  I would encourage you to post a reply to the Biblical Recorder, especially the print version, so the conversation will continue.</p>
<p>Much grace and love to you,<br />
Bill
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		<title>by: Thomas Twitchell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There were those who are just a little bit more than disinterested. They seem to have been waiting in the wings.

There are the next things which the convention will, and should be working toward, right now. They will be working on opening up tolerance within the convention and encouraging local churches to open to honest dialogue, whether they want to or not. If things go as this article did, if the more vocal voices of Calvinists' opponents control the media of exchange, rhetoric will continue degrading along the trajectory of pre-BB. So, the leadership will either do it now, or they will be forced to as the problem and factions become more ossified and reach critical mass.

I think that all along this is what the organizers of BB intended to begin; to establish before factionalism becomes division a preemptive, cooperative effort. Obviously, there are some who being unable to prevent the conference, are seeking to undermine unity now, even before the setting of peers and pilons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were those who are just a little bit more than disinterested. They seem to have been waiting in the wings.</p>
<p>There are the next things which the convention will, and should be working toward, right now. They will be working on opening up tolerance within the convention and encouraging local churches to open to honest dialogue, whether they want to or not. If things go as this article did, if the more vocal voices of Calvinists&#8217; opponents control the media of exchange, rhetoric will continue degrading along the trajectory of pre-BB. So, the leadership will either do it now, or they will be forced to as the problem and factions become more ossified and reach critical mass.</p>
<p>I think that all along this is what the organizers of BB intended to begin; to establish before factionalism becomes division a preemptive, cooperative effort. Obviously, there are some who being unable to prevent the conference, are seeking to undermine unity now, even before the setting of peers and pilons.
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		<title>by: Nathan White</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The more things change (Building Bridges), the more things stay the same (the article cited above). 

Excellent summary and rebuttal, Andrew. Let's hope this gets out to those who may still be riding the fence after the conference. Just a simple look at the method of argumentation, not even considering the truthfullness therein, is enough to raise some serious questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more things change (Building Bridges), the more things stay the same (the article cited above). </p>
<p>Excellent summary and rebuttal, Andrew. Let&#8217;s hope this gets out to those who may still be riding the fence after the conference. Just a simple look at the method of argumentation, not even considering the truthfullness therein, is enough to raise some serious questions.
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		<title>by: Josh L.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It really is a sad thing to see such division within the SBC. I think we all desire to see unity amongst fellow Christian brethren, yet I cannot see how this will happen if we will not be honest with Scripture. I don't believe it is a matter of holding &quot;man-made&quot; doctrines, but rather using honest, logical, and sound exegesis to interpret Scripture. 

I think Warfield hit the mark when he said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Calvinism is not a specific variety of theistic thought, religious experience, [or] evangelical faith; but just the perfect manifestation of these things. The difference between it and other forms of theism, religion, [and] evangelicalism is difference not of kind but of degree ... it does not take its position then by the side of other types of things; it takes its place over all else that claims to be these things, as embodying all that they ought to be. 
- B.B. Warfield&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is a sad thing to see such division within the SBC. I think we all desire to see unity amongst fellow Christian brethren, yet I cannot see how this will happen if we will not be honest with Scripture. I don&#8217;t believe it is a matter of holding &#8220;man-made&#8221; doctrines, but rather using honest, logical, and sound exegesis to interpret Scripture. </p>
<p>I think Warfield hit the mark when he said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Calvinism is not a specific variety of theistic thought, religious experience, [or] evangelical faith; but just the perfect manifestation of these things. The difference between it and other forms of theism, religion, [and] evangelicalism is difference not of kind but of degree &#8230; it does not take its position then by the side of other types of things; it takes its place over all else that claims to be these things, as embodying all that they ought to be.<br />
- B.B. Warfield</p></blockquote>
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